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Sunday, October 11, 2009

Question to the community: Flu Shot during TTC

UPDATED at the bottom

Uh-oh. I've done it. As I approach reentry and get less and less worried about recurrence of cancer and MTX remnants, I've found something else to worry about.

Until this week I felt like this topic was kind of cliche, or at least something that was more hype than anything else. I didn't worry about it. This apathy was likely born of my (fortunately) uneventful history with the flu. I've never gotten the flu shot and have only had the flu once. It was a pain in the ass (I could barely move and had DH take me to the emergency room 'cause the whole experience kind of freaked me out) but was over in 24 hours. My temp spiked for only one day.

So what happened in the last couple weeks to turn this into a topic of obsession? Well, partly it's the media getting to me (maybe there's really something to this vaccination business), partly twoweekwaiting's stories reminded me of how very easy it is for an unfortunate situation to happen you you - relatives coming down with the flu, being invited to peoples' houses who you know are or have recently been sick. This kind of thing happens all the time. Not to mention traveling during the holidays. We're already planning a trip over Thanksgiving. Also, that one time I had the flu was last year, right after my D&C...when my HCG was still elevated above 1000... It's true what they say about pregnant women's immune systems. And it's true that the potential damage from a bout of the flu (or the swine flu) is probably vast and sometimes grave to the mother or baby or both. And this all scares me. A lot.

But enough to get a vaccine? At first I thought this would be the perfect time to get one. Before conception! Why not, right? But then I asked Dr. Google and in true form, he effectively recommends sitting in a sterilized room in my house and never coming out as the safest course of action. What he really said was things like: "don't get vaccinated within 4 weeks of getting pregnant," and I really don't want to wait another month. Then he said "don't get vaccinated in your first trimester." Well, if its not safe in your first tri, why would I want to get it in my second tri? He said "even if you get the vaccine, don't get too comfortable 'cause you can still get the flu." And, perhaps most eerily, he pointed out that "there's still mercury in the mercury-free injections so even if you get the pregnancy-safe version, you're not so safe." This is probably the reason for the whole 4-week washout period.

If I had it to do over, I'd probably get vaccinated a month ago. But now it's potentially 2 weeks until conception. And, god willing, I'll only ever have two weeks notice from the discovery of not being pregnant from a given cycle and the chance to be pg again. In other words, I won't have a guaranteed 4 week window of not being pg in the foreseeable future, if all goes as planned.

So now what? Get the vaccine tomorrow? Two weeks before possible conception? Wait until I'm in my second tri (should i ever be so lucky)? Make DH get the vaccine (this will be hard to do, he's convinced the whole thing is a gimmick). Don't get it at all? Use the old washing of hands and staying away from crowds and sick people trick? This last one sounds practically impossible. I was at the dog park yesterday and this little girl comes up to me and asked if she could use my "chuck-it" to throw tennis balls for my dogs. I had noticed her coughing once earlier, it sounded like a cold. What was I going to say, ...no? Her parents were right there and probably regulars at the dog park. I would rather do a thousand hand washings and 200 hail mary's than deny that little girl in that moment. Plus, even if I was religious about precautions, none of it matters unless DH either gets the shot or is just as religious as I am.

Also, I should mention that one time I got the flu was this past January. DH got it too. So is it possible we could still be inoculated from that?

I think my plan for now is to not get the shot, but if I get pg, after I get pg, I will make DH get it. Is this crazy? Should I just stop by Safeway tomorrow and get it over with?

UPDATE: So I had a chat with DH 'cause this whole thing was really bothering me. I pointed out the reasons I was concerned about the flu and then the reasons I was concerned about the flu shot. And told him I had a favor to ask - namely that he get the shot. And then I braced myself. He was not happy about it. At. All. And he let me know.

DH: I don't want to get a flu shot.

Me: Hon, I know. I know you don't, and I would do it myself if it weren't discouraged at this point. Just please do it for me, it's important to me, I know it might not work, but on the chance that it does...

DH: I hate doctors. This is the biggest gimmick in the world.

Me: [Getting impatient - I mean really, shouldn't the first thing out of his mouth have been "Sure honey, don't worry, I'll do whatever will help, and whatever I can do to relieve any of the stress you're dealing with over this whole situation. This is really not much to ask."] I don't give a sh-- that you don't like doctors, you can do this one thing for me after all the hell I've been through over the past year. I can't even count how many times I've been to the doctor and how many needles I've been stuck with. And you don't even have to go to the doctor. You can do this at $afeway!

Then I mentioned that if we didn't get pg before flu season was over he wouldn't have to get it anyway. And he wanted to play it by ear. And I told him all I wanted to hear was that he would do this one thing for me when and if I needed him to. He was quiet for a while and said that his work has a program for the shots every year and that he'd look into it. THANK YOU GOD for this one miracle.

I feel like I pick my battles pretty carefully and for him to react this way was pretty much apalling. It's not that I never ask him to do things, I do, and I don't want to be a nag. But I rarely ask him to do anything that requires him to go out of his way at all. God, what if I had asked him to do something really scary, like a blood test...or an SA. Can you imagine?

6 comments:

Anonymous said...

Things to think about.

- Swine flu vaccines contain dangerous adjuvants that cause an inflammatory response in the body. This is why they are suspected of causing autism and other neurological disorders.

- The swine flu vaccine could actually increase your risk of death from swine flu by altering (or suppressing) your immune system response. There is zero evidence that even seasonal flu shots offer any meaningful protection for people who take the jabs. Vaccines are the snake oil of modern medicine.
- When people start dying in larger numbers from the swine flu, rest assured that many of them will be the very people who got the swine flu vaccine. Doctors will explain this away with their typical Big Pharma logic: "The number saved is far greater than the number lost." Of course, the number "saved" is entirely fictional... imaginary... and exists only in their own warped heads.

Found this on another blogger's page and she explains it way better than i do. There are natural SAFE ways to take care of yourself instead of pumping toxins that cause more harm than good into your body.


http://4littlemen.blogspot.com/2009/10/oh-yes-i-am.html

Kate said...

Astrid this is a toughie and i know you know I've thought about it a lot. I think if I were you I would not get it. I think. I would just do my best to avoid sick people, wash my hands like a maniac and DEFINITELY ask your hubby to get the shots. Jack already got the flu shot and will be getting the H1N1 shot when its available.

And you can link to me whenever, no biggies but I appreciate it:)

Anonymous said...

I have never gotten a flu shot. My plan is to ask my OB/GYN her thoughts if I graduate successfully from the RE. Unless she strongly convinces me otherwise, I don't plan on getting it. I do understand your fear and your hubby's. I have the same concerns but am trying not to dwell on in right now and take as many precautions to stay healthy as possible.

Good luck with whatever you decide to do!

Anonymous said...

hmmmm... not sure why doctors and the cdc would recommend pregnant women get the flu shot if it was not safe. i know it's a controversial issue but i trust my doctor and she, along with a lot of other doctors, seems to think it's a good idea. i had my flu shot a few weeks ago and i'll be getting the h1n1 vaccine as soon as the injectable form is available.

Bluebird said...

Love the "update" :) So glad your DH is on board. I "made" mine get one too.

Honestly, I know this is a hot topic, and I'm usually all for doing independent research, standing up for my rights medically, etc. - but I have a MFM whom I adore and trust completely, and on this one I am going to trust his judgment. In his mind the flu vaccine is not optional, so I got it. (Fwiw, I got it last year when I was pg with our twins, too, on my OBs advice.) He's not yet decided about the pig flu vax, but I will likely follow his recommendation on that, too.

Thinknig of you :)

Anonymous said...

Hi there -

Just discovered your blog, as I was googling "TTC and flu vaccines". I am just about mid-cycle and had planned to get a flu jab this week, so wanted to do some reading. I burst out laughing reading about your conversation with DH -- as we had the exact same conversation this morning. He does not want a shot, whereas I think it would offer good protection. TTC/pregnancy is stressful enough - there is no need to add the fear that you might fall sick.

Unlike some of your other posters, I do think vaccines are generally a good thing, and have an important role to play in public health safety -- so not against them. But I have decided to give a call to my GP this week to see what he recommends, especially as it would fall exactly as we are peak ovulation time.

Finally, just to say that I am sorry hear about your experience. I had a gorgeous baby boy last spring, who died at four weeks after suffering a brain hemorrhage in utero, just prior to birth. It was devastating, and despite meetings with many fetal specialists, we have not gotten a clear answer as to why this happened. But we have been advised to start TTC again if we want children-- so off on this roller coaster again. It is crushing and scary to start again, I know -- but applaud your courage and wish you luck in TTC.